From lurker-index@localhost Mon Jan 16 11:37:01 2017 Return-Path: Received: from lin16.mojsite.com (178.218.164.164:993) by g0n.xdwgrp with IMAP4-SSL; 16 Jan 2017 10:37:01 -0000 Envelope-to: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr Delivery-date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:36:01 +0100 Received: from 78-1-146-233.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.146.233]:56808 helo=g0n.localdomain) by lin16.mojsite.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cT4dm-000191-Nt; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:35:54 +0100 Received: by g0n.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C8CBBB84; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:36:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:36:01 +0100 From: Miroslav Rovis To: "tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr" Subject: Re: Kako pregledati svoje PDF =?utf-8?Q?ra?= =?utf-8?B?xI11bmU=?= kod T-com-a? [T201611210376] Message-ID: <20170116103601.GA18787@g0n.xdwgrp> References: <20161121130814.GB4196@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161126022433.GA12442@g0n.xdwgrp> <20161211221657.GA27637@g0n.xdwgrp> <20170112092024.GA11027@g0n.xdwgrp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20170112092024.GA11027@g0n.xdwgrp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1cT4dm-000191-Nt X-PlusHosting-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.949, required 5, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, BAYES_00 -5.00, KAM_ASCII_DIVIDERS 0.80, KAM_LOTSOFHASH 0.25, TVD_RCVD_IP 0.00) X-PlusHosting-MailScanner-From: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr X-Spam-Status: No X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: =?utf-8?q?INBOX?= --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ENGLISH PARTLY FURTHER BELOW Odgovaram na ovaj dio: > ... postavke e-ra=C4=8Duna su pode=C5=A1ene tako da Vam se ra=C4=8Duni u = pdf-u > ne isporu=C4=8Duju direktno na Moj Telekom portal, ve=C4=87 na mail adresu > (imate opciju biranja ho=C4=87ete li kompletan ra=C4=8Dun u pdf-u imati d= ostupan > na Moj Telekom portalu, ili =C4=87e Vam se isporu=C4=8Divati na mail adre= su). > Ako Vam se ra=C4=8Duni isporu=C4=8Duju na mail adresu, tad =C4=87e Vam na= Moj Telekom > portalu biti dostupni samo podaci za uplatu, ne i sam ra=C4=8Dun u pdf-u > kojeg biste preuzeli. Zadnja promjena postavki za Va=C5=A1 e-ra=C4=8Dun > izvr=C5=A1ena je 4.10.2016., te je pritom pode=C5=A1ena mail adresa > miroslav.rovis1@zg.ht.hr ( mailto:miroslav.rovis1@zg.ht.hr ). > > Nadamo se da su ove informacije pomogle. U slu=C4=8Daju da =C5=BEelite ra= =C4=8Dun u > pdf-u imati dostupan putem Moj Telekom portala, povratno nam javite, > pa =C4=87emo promijeniti na=C4=8Din isporuke e-ra=C4=8Duna za pretplatni= =C4=8Dki ra=C4=8Dun > 5019102951. Liepo bih molio da, nek se vidi i zna tolika umna razko=C5=A1... Je li to netko tko jest tada mo=C5=BEda manje bio pri sebi, ili je isti trajno van sebe... ili je to u=C4=8Dinjeno, pa ponovno promienjeno, ili =C5=A1to...? Naime sve mogu liepo ("liepo", no...) vidjeti... mogu vidjeti (vjerovatno, nisam provjeravao "hash"-ove, =C4=8Dine se istima)... iste one datoteke koje sam PGP-podpisom MIME-poruke do daljnjeg trajno zabilje=C5=BEio, sve kao i onda mogu vidjeti da jest na https://moj.hrvatskitelekom.hr ... Ne mogu postaviti ovaj trace: c2d2dfd5a658191a27666140df8ef17c9d6098b7a675f47fd87084b6df769d37 dump_170116_1110_g0n.pcap jer sadr=C5=BEi moju zaporku, ali nek se na=C4=91e bude li sudovanja... Absolutni besmisao... Maknite toga ve=C4=87 jednom na neki ipak koliko-toli= ko koristan posao. Preve=C4=87 kvari... ---------- ENGLISH START Some individual of poor health wrote some administrative nonsense, but there are no technical answers whatsoever to my query in his reply. ENGLISH END ---------- [Message-ID: <13062112.11435.1484301353989.JavaMail.SAICPRI1$@SAICPRI1>]: On 170113-10:55+0100, tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr wrote: >=20 > Po=C5=A1tovani gospodine Rovis, >=20 > cijela konverzacija koju ste nam sad poslali je nejasna, te iz iste > nije vidljivo koje promjene su napravljene, koja pote=C5=A1ko=C4=87a je j= o=C5=A1 > uvijek prisutna i =C5=A1to se trenutno doga=C4=91a s dostupnim pdf ra=C4= =8Dunima na > Moj Telekom portalu. >=20 > Ljubazno Vas molimo da obri=C5=A1ete nepotrebne duplikate/prijevode, kako > bi lak=C5=A1e bilo pratiti daljnju raspravu. Nadalje, ako smo dobro > shvatili, pote=C5=A1ko=C4=87a je s preuzimanjem ra=C4=8Duna u elektroni= =C4=8Dkom obliku, > po pretplatni=C4=8Dkom ra=C4=8Dunu 5019102951? Odnosno, putem Moj Telekom > portala ra=C4=8Dune u pdf obliku mo=C5=BEete preuzeti i otvoriti uz pomo= =C4=87 Adobe > Reader-a, ali ne uz pomo=C4=87 Qpdfview alata? Ili ih uop=C4=87e ne mo=C5= =BEete ni s > jednim pdf preglednikom otvoriti? >=20 > Provjerom u sustavu, vidljivo nam je da za pretplatni=C4=8Dki ra=C4=8Dun > 5019102951 postavke e-ra=C4=8Duna su pode=C5=A1ene tako da Vam se ra=C4= =8Duni u pdf-u > ne isporu=C4=8Duju direktno na Moj Telekom portal, ve=C4=87 na mail adresu > (imate opciju biranja ho=C4=87ete li kompletan ra=C4=8Dun u pdf-u imati d= ostupan > na Moj Telekom portalu, ili =C4=87e Vam se isporu=C4=8Divati na mail adre= su). > Ako Vam se ra=C4=8Duni isporu=C4=8Duju na mail adresu, tad =C4=87e Vam na= Moj Telekom > portalu biti dostupni samo podaci za uplatu, ne i sam ra=C4=8Dun u pdf-u > kojeg biste preuzeli. Zadnja promjena postavki za Va=C5=A1 e-ra=C4=8Dun > izvr=C5=A1ena je 4.10.2016., te je pritom pode=C5=A1ena mail adresa > miroslav.rovis1@zg.ht.hr ( mailto:miroslav.rovis1@zg.ht.hr ). >=20 > Nadamo se da su ove informacije pomogle. U slu=C4=8Daju da =C5=BEelite ra= =C4=8Dun u > pdf-u imati dostupan putem Moj Telekom portala, povratno nam javite, > pa =C4=87emo promijeniti na=C4=8Din isporuke e-ra=C4=8Duna za pretplatni= =C4=8Dki ra=C4=8Dun > 5019102951. >=20 > Zahvaljujemo na razumijevanju. Do Va=C5=A1eg odgovora, srda=C4=8Dno Vas > pozdravljamo. >=20 >=20 > Isprobajte novu dostupnu opciju Stream on ( http://bit.ly/2dwdxwu ) > koja omogu=C4=87ava gledanje HBO GO i Pickbox sadr=C5=BEaja putem mobilne > aplikacije na Va=C5=A1im smartphone i tablet ure=C4=91ajima. Opcija Vam > omogu=C4=87ava mjese=C4=8Dno 10 sati gledanja video sadr=C5=BEaja bez nap= late > potro=C5=A1nje prometa, a iznos mjese=C4=8Dne naknade je 49 kuna (prva > aktivacije opcije u Magenti svaki mjesec iznosi samo 9 kuna). > Detaljnije o samoj opciji mo=C5=BEete vidjeti ovdje ( http://bit.ly/2dwdx= wu > ). >=20 >=20 > S po=C5=A1tovanjem,=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > HRVATSKI TELEKOM d.d. >=20 > Marijan=20 > Agent za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku > Odjel e-poslovanja > Odsjek za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku > Adresa: Roberta Frange=C5=A1a Mihanovi=C4=87a 9, 10110 Zagreb > E-mail: tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr ( mailto:tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr ) > Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/HrvatskiTelekom ) Twitter ( > https://twitter.com/hrvatskitelekom ) Instagram ( > https://www.instagram.com/hrvatski.telekom/ ) Google+ ( > https://plus.google.com/b/106401043936944637172/106401043936944637172/pos= ts > ) YouTube ( http://www.youtube.com/user/HrvatskiTelekom ) > www.hrvatskitelekom.hr ( http://www.hrvatskitelekom.hr ) >=20 > Ugodne blagdane te sretnu i uspje=C5=A1nu novu, 2017. godinu =C5=BEeli Va= m Hrvatski Telekom! >=20 >=20 > Lak=C5=A1e pratite potro=C5=A1nju i upravljajte uslugama...preuzmite novu= Moj > Telekom aplikaciju! *Android ( > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=3Dcom.hrvatskitelekom.m.moj= T&hl=3Dhr > )* *iOS ( > https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/moj-telekom-hr/id1076967450?mt=3D8 )* >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------- > From: Miroslav Rovis > Sent: 12.01.2017 10:22 > To: tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr > Cc: info@hakom.hr > Subject: Re: Kako pregledati svoje PDFra=1Aunekod T-com-a? > (( Pls. note the: >=20 > > bd1f9d429e08b478f0d999045770ef94fa194d45b7eb0f60fec1f46e483f77fa >=20 > in two places in the old message to which this one is a reply. > )) >=20 > ENGLISH / HRVATSKI >=20 > Prije tri normalne automatske potvrde/poruke ni=C5=BEe dolje, dugo dugo s= amo > duplikati poput: >=20 > Before the three normal auto responses further below, for pretty long I g= ot > only duplicates like: >=20 > Date: Tue Nov 22 12:00:19 2016 > ... > Message-ID: <20194874.17.1479716300265.JavaMail.SAICEW1$@SAICEW1> > From: T-HT Auto response > Duplicate, $LINES: 373, $SIZE: 26046 >=20 > A ove tri normalne povezane su s predmetima koji ne nose > "[T201611260027]" > (poput: > Re: Kako pregledati svoje PDF ra=C4=8Dune kod T-com-a? [T201611210376]) > ili "[T2016112102WES060Z9569052]" > (poput: > Re: T-com i poigravanje s preplatom [T2016112102WES060Z9569052]") >=20 > And these three normal ones are related to issues which do not bear the > "[T201611260027]" > (like: > Re: How to view PDF bills at T-com's? [T201611210376]) > or "[T2016112102WES060Z9569052]" > (like: > Re: T-com and pranks with overcharging [T2016112102WES060Z9569052]") >=20 > Ove tri su nepovezane s gornje dvije teme. >=20 > These three are unrelated with the above two topics. >=20 > Message-ID: <30568553.35.1479891039157.JavaMail.SAICEW1$@SAICEW1> > Date: Sat Nov 26 04:34:33 2016 > From: "T-HT Auto response" > Subj: Automatski odgovor T-HT Korisnicke podrske > File: /home/miro/Maildir/.mirorovis@croatiafidelishr.@ththr (24795) >=20 > Message-ID: <739955188.6858.1482837456010@SAICPRI1.ad.local> > Date: Tue Dec 27 12:20:39 2016 > From: T-HT Auto response > Subj: Automatski odgovor T-HT Korisnicke podrske > File: /home/miro/Maildir/.mirorovis@croatiafidelishr.@ththr (24764) >=20 > Message-ID: <1236040694.6990.1482843005948@SAICPRI1.ad.local> > Date: Tue Dec 27 13:56:01 2016 > From: T-HT Auto response > Subj: Automatski odgovor T-HT Korisnicke podrske > File: /home/miro/Maildir/.mirorovis@croatiafidelishr.@ththr (24765) >=20 > A jedna od dviju tema/razprava/konverzacija kojih moje poruke nisu bile > automatski potvr=C4=91ene je ova, kojoj pripada i ova poruka, koju pi=C5= =A1em samo > da velim kako nije bilo nikakvog odgovora od T-com-a. >=20 > And one of the two topics/discussions/conversations of which my messages > weren't automatically confirmed is this one, to which this message > belongs as well, and which I write just to tell how there was not reply > whatsoever from T-com. >=20 > Kroz svo vrieme od donjeg nadnevka: >=20 > In all this time since the date below: >=20 > On 161211-23:16+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > ENGLISH TRANSLATION is in bottom half.++++++++++++++++++ > > > > =C5=A0tovana *Tehni=C4=8Dka podr=C5=BEko*! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > > (=C5=A0tovani HAKOM, jo=C5=A1 nisam dobio odgovora na tehni=C4=8Dka pit= anja od T-com-a. > > Nedopustivo kr=C5=A1enje mojih prava kao koristnika, pa: na uvid i vama= =2E) > > > > Dne 161128-11:43+0100, u e-poruci koja ima > > "Message-ID: 66336.230.1480329827082.JavaMail.SAICUS4$@SAICUS4" > > ni=C5=BEe podpisani "Agent za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku", =C5=A1to= nije "Tehni=C4=8Dka > > podr=C5=BEka", nije kvalificirani programer, pa nema jamstva da razumij= e =C5=A1to > > pitam, odgovara, preusmjereno kao da odgovara sa > > tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr napisao je: > > > > > > Po=C5=A1tovani gospodine Rovis, > > > > > > Hrvatski Telekom e-ra=C4=8Dune isporu=C4=8Duje u pdf formatu na Moj T= elekom portal ili > > > e-mail adresu. Ra=C4=8Dune je mogu=C4=87e preuzeti i na ra=C4=8Dunalu= otvoriti sa Adobe > > > Readerom (ili nekim drugim programom za pregled pdf dokumenata). > > > > > > Sve dodatne postavke vezane uz spremanje/otvaranje na=C5=A1ih ra=C4= =8Duna nisu u domeni > > > tehni=C4=8Dke podr=C5=A1ke Hrvatskog Telekoma te sukladno navedenom z= a isto ne pru=C5=BEamo > > > podr=C5=A1ku. > > > > > > Uz zahvalu na razumijevanju srda=C4=8Dno Vas pozdravljamo. > > > > > > S po=C5=A1tovanjem, > > > > > > HRVATSKI TELEKOM d.d. > > > > > > Tomislav > > > Agent za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku > > > Odjel e-poslovanja > > > Odsjek za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku > > > Adresa: Roberta Frange=C5=A1a Mihanovi=C4=87a 9, 10110 Zagreb > > > E-mail: tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr ( mailto:tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr ) > > > > ...[rez]... > > > > Molim da se moj upit preusmjeri nekome tko mi ho=C4=87e i zna odgovorit= i. > > > > Poku=C5=A1at =C4=87u jo=C5=A1 jednom postaviti ista pitanja, ali *sa=C5= =BEetije*. Jer mi na > > njih niste odgovorili. Dobit =C4=87ete, me=C4=91utim ponovno, iste PDF = datoteke, > > da lak=C5=A1e odgovorite. > > > > Molim vas da odgovorite nedvosmisleno i jasno. Gornji odgovor > > (vjerovatno) ne-programera to nije. > > > > On 161126-03:24+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > > ...[rez]... > > > > > Dejan, dakle iz T-com-a, pi=C5=A1e kako: > > > > provjerili smo dostupne PDF-ove koji su kreirani za Va=C5=A1e ra=C4= =8Dune te smo > > > > iste otvorili putem Adobe PDF reader programa. > > > To je nejasna tvdnja. Koji su to dostupni PDF-ovi? Oni koji su meni d= ati > > > u 4 minutice konverzacije sa: > > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161121-t-cogne-pdf/ > > > > ...[rez]... > > > > > U toj konverzaciji izme=C4=91u mojeg ra=C4=8Dunala i va=C5=A1eg poslu= =C5=BEitelja va=C5=A1 > > > poslu=C5=BEitelj [zar] nije meni poslao ove datoteke, prilikom klikan= ja na > > > poveznice "Ra=C4=8Dun PDF", kojih ima, prema klikanim poveznicama ove > > > =C4=8Detiri: > > > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48499 2016-11-21 11:30 418703738.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 43358 2016-11-21 11:30 424888813.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48585 2016-11-21 11:31 431372012.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48347 2016-11-21 11:31 435518423.pdf > > > > > > Je l' to vi tvrdite da u toj konverzaciji meni va=C5=A1 poslu=C5=BEit= elj nije > > > predao na mog ra=C4=8Dunala zahtjev (klikanjem na te poveznice), to= =C4=8Dno te 4 > > > datoteke? > > > > Molim, preuzmite privitke (ovoj e-poruci) sa tim datotekama od toga dan= a: > > > > 418703738.pdf > > 424888813.pdf > > 431372012.pdf > > 435518423.pdf > > > > PITANJE: Mo=C5=BEe li Acrobat PDF Reader otvoriti te datoteke koje sam = upravo > > privio ovoj e-poruci? > > > > Ponavljam tako=C4=91er pitanje: > > > Jeste li uob=C4=87e dekriptirali network trace koji sam objelodanio n= a: > > > > > > > T-cogne and PDF? > > > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161121-t-cogne-pdf/ > > > ? > > > > > > Ne =C4=87ete mi re=C4=87 da tako stru=C4=8Dnih nema u T-com-u koji bi= to znali?... Mah! > > > 2,000 programera u T-com-u, i da nitko to ne zna, sa datotekama koje = su > > > u direktoriju -- koji je ta stranica, dekriptirati? To mi ne mo=C5=BE= ete re=C4=87! > > > > > > > Iz tog trace-a su te datoteke. Ho=C4=87e li mi odgovoriti netko tko raz= umije > > ovaj predmet i u stanju je =C4=8Ditati trace-ove? > > > > Imam i ovo pitanje: > > > > Za=C5=A1to u e-poruci "Ra=C4=8Dun za usluge u fiksnoj HT mre=C5=BEi za = 11/2016", > > Dne 161204-18:24+0100, u e-poruci koja ima > > "Message-ID: 772230131.1480872262486.JavaMail.fnservice@SBPMCP2" > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/message/20161204.1= 72422.79b621fc.en.html > > ( budu=C4=87a poveznica ) > > > > ili predhodnog mjeseca: > > Za=C5=A1to u e-poruci "Ra=C4=8Dun za usluge u fiksnoj HT mre=C5=BEi za = 10/2016", > > Dne 161104-20:13+0100, u e-poruci koja ima > > "Message-ID: 766744708.1478286794029.JavaMail.fnservice@SBPMAP1" > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/message/20161104.1= 91314.2a0e9ce2.en.html > > > > privitci (isti su PDF-ovi i u privitcima ove e-poruke, pa ih tako=C4=91= er otvorite > > za uzporedbu) imaju imena datoteka normalna: > > orig_bill_5019102951-206-5_5019102951_201610_R.pdf > > orig_bill_5019102951-207-3_5019102951_201611_R.pdf > > > > i mojim Qpdfview programom ih ja mogu otvoriti bez ikakvih problema, i > > pregledati sve tri stranice oba PDF-a, > > > > a te va=C5=A1e PDF datoteke sa moj.hrvatskitelekom.hr nakon =C5=A1to sa= m se > > logiram, imaju imena kilava, a posebno bez infiksa (umetka) koji bi > > trebale imati, ve=C4=87 prema tome za koji su mjesec 2016. a nemaju ni > > prefiksa "orig_bill_" na po=C4=8Detku, ili sli=C4=8Dno? > > > > Na desnoj strani je infiks koji nedostaje: > > 418703738.pdf 201606_R > > 424888813.pdf 201607_R > > 431372012.pdf 201608_R > > 435518423.pdf 201609_R > > > > Drugim rie=C4=8Dima, imate li kvar na serveru da va=C5=A1 server batrlj= ke > > izporu=C4=8Duje umjesto standardnih PDF-ova, i kako te datoteke, ako ih > > Acrobat Reader otvara, izpraviti, eh da bi i drugi programi, poput > > mojega Qpdfview-a mogli onda iste otvarati i pregledavati? > > > > Naime, koristnik sam, i mislim da imam pravo na to obja=C5=A1njenje, i = da me > > se uputi kako da mo=C5=BEda modificiram za preglednost te batrlje-datot= eke, > > ako doista jesu PDF-ovi. > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ENGLISH TRANSLATION STA= RT =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > bd1f9d429e08b478f0d999045770ef94fa194d45b7eb0f60fec1f46e483f77fa >=20 > ENGLISH / HRVATSKI >=20 > Prije tri normalne automatske potvrde/poruke ni=C5=BEe dolje, dugo dugo s= amo > duplikati poput: >=20 > Before the three normal auto responses further below, for pretty long I g= ot > only duplicates like: >=20 > Date: Tue Nov 22 12:00:19 2016 > ... > Message-ID: <20194874.17.1479716300265.JavaMail.SAICEW1$@SAICEW1> > From: T-HT Auto response > Duplicate, $LINES: 373, $SIZE: 26046 >=20 > A ove tri normalne povezane su s predmetima koji ne nose > "[T201611260027]" > (poput: > Re: Kako pregledati svoje PDF ra=C4=8Dune kod T-com-a? [T201611210376]) > ili "[T2016112102WES060Z9569052]" > (poput: > Re: T-com i poigravanje s preplatom [T2016112102WES060Z9569052]") >=20 > And these three normal ones are related to issues which do not bear the > "[T201611260027]" > (like: > Re: How to view PDF bills at T-com's? [T201611210376]) > or "[T2016112102WES060Z9569052]" > (like: > Re: T-com and pranks with overcharging [T2016112102WES060Z9569052]") >=20 > Ove tri su nepovezane s gornje dvije teme. >=20 > These three are unrelated with the above two topics. >=20 > Message-ID: <30568553.35.1479891039157.JavaMail.SAICEW1$@SAICEW1> > Date: Sat Nov 26 04:34:33 2016 > From: "T-HT Auto response" > Subj: Automatski odgovor T-HT Korisnicke podrske > File: /home/miro/Maildir/.mirorovis@croatiafidelishr.@ththr (24795) >=20 > Message-ID: <739955188.6858.1482837456010@SAICPRI1.ad.local> > Date: Tue Dec 27 12:20:39 2016 > From: T-HT Auto response > Subj: Automatski odgovor T-HT Korisnicke podrske > File: /home/miro/Maildir/.mirorovis@croatiafidelishr.@ththr (24764) >=20 > Message-ID: <1236040694.6990.1482843005948@SAICPRI1.ad.local> > Date: Tue Dec 27 13:56:01 2016 > From: T-HT Auto response > Subj: Automatski odgovor T-HT Korisnicke podrske > File: /home/miro/Maildir/.mirorovis@croatiafidelishr.@ththr (24765) >=20 > A jedna od dviju tema/razprava/konverzacija kojih moje poruke nisu bile > automatski potvr=C4=91ene je ova, kojoj pripada i ova poruka, koju pi=C5= =A1em samo > da velim kako nije bilo nikakvog odgovora od T-com-a. >=20 > And one of the two topics/discussions/conversations of which my messages > weren't automatically confirmed is this one, to which this message > belongs as well, and which I write just to tell how there was not reply > whatsoever from T-com. >=20 > Kroz svo vrieme od donjeg nadnevka: >=20 > In all this time since the date below: >=20 > On 161211-23:16+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > ENGLISH TRANSLATION is in bottom half.++++++++++++++++++ > > > > =C5=A0tovana *Tehni=C4=8Dka podr=C5=BEko*! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > > (=C5=A0tovani HAKOM, jo=C5=A1 nisam dobio odgovora na tehni=C4=8Dka pit= anja od T-com-a. > > Nedopustivo kr=C5=A1enje mojih prava kao koristnika, pa: na uvid i vama= =2E) > > > > Dne 161128-11:43+0100, u e-poruci koja ima > > "Message-ID: 66336.230.1480329827082.JavaMail.SAICUS4$@SAICUS4" > > ni=C5=BEe podpisani "Agent za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku", =C5=A1to= nije "Tehni=C4=8Dka > > podr=C5=BEka", nije kvalificirani programer, pa nema jamstva da razumij= e =C5=A1to > > pitam, odgovara, preusmjereno kao da odgovara sa > > tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr napisao je: > > > > > > Po=C5=A1tovani gospodine Rovis, > > > > > > Hrvatski Telekom e-ra=C4=8Dune isporu=C4=8Duje u pdf formatu na Moj T= elekom portal ili > > > e-mail adresu. Ra=C4=8Dune je mogu=C4=87e preuzeti i na ra=C4=8Dunalu= otvoriti sa Adobe > > > Readerom (ili nekim drugim programom za pregled pdf dokumenata). > > > > > > Sve dodatne postavke vezane uz spremanje/otvaranje na=C5=A1ih ra=C4= =8Duna nisu u domeni > > > tehni=C4=8Dke podr=C5=A1ke Hrvatskog Telekoma te sukladno navedenom z= a isto ne pru=C5=BEamo > > > podr=C5=A1ku. > > > > > > Uz zahvalu na razumijevanju srda=C4=8Dno Vas pozdravljamo. > > > > > > S po=C5=A1tovanjem, > > > > > > HRVATSKI TELEKOM d.d. > > > > > > Tomislav > > > Agent za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku > > > Odjel e-poslovanja > > > Odsjek za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku > > > Adresa: Roberta Frange=C5=A1a Mihanovi=C4=87a 9, 10110 Zagreb > > > E-mail: tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr ( mailto:tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr ) > > > > ...[rez]... > > > > Molim da se moj upit preusmjeri nekome tko mi ho=C4=87e i zna odgovorit= i. > > > > Poku=C5=A1at =C4=87u jo=C5=A1 jednom postaviti ista pitanja, ali *sa=C5= =BEetije*. Jer mi na > > njih niste odgovorili. Dobit =C4=87ete, me=C4=91utim ponovno, iste PDF = datoteke, > > da lak=C5=A1e odgovorite. > > > > Molim vas da odgovorite nedvosmisleno i jasno. Gornji odgovor > > (vjerovatno) ne-programera to nije. > > > > On 161126-03:24+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > > ...[rez]... > > > > > Dejan, dakle iz T-com-a, pi=C5=A1e kako: > > > > provjerili smo dostupne PDF-ove koji su kreirani za Va=C5=A1e ra=C4= =8Dune te smo > > > > iste otvorili putem Adobe PDF reader programa. > > > To je nejasna tvdnja. Koji su to dostupni PDF-ovi? Oni koji su meni d= ati > > > u 4 minutice konverzacije sa: > > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161121-t-cogne-pdf/ > > > > ...[rez]... > > > > > U toj konverzaciji izme=C4=91u mojeg ra=C4=8Dunala i va=C5=A1eg poslu= =C5=BEitelja va=C5=A1 > > > poslu=C5=BEitelj [zar] nije meni poslao ove datoteke, prilikom klikan= ja na > > > poveznice "Ra=C4=8Dun PDF", kojih ima, prema klikanim poveznicama ove > > > =C4=8Detiri: > > > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48499 2016-11-21 11:30 418703738.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 43358 2016-11-21 11:30 424888813.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48585 2016-11-21 11:31 431372012.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48347 2016-11-21 11:31 435518423.pdf > > > > > > Je l' to vi tvrdite da u toj konverzaciji meni va=C5=A1 poslu=C5=BEit= elj nije > > > predao na mog ra=C4=8Dunala zahtjev (klikanjem na te poveznice), to= =C4=8Dno te 4 > > > datoteke? > > > > Molim, preuzmite privitke (ovoj e-poruci) sa tim datotekama od toga dan= a: > > > > 418703738.pdf > > 424888813.pdf > > 431372012.pdf > > 435518423.pdf > > > > PITANJE: Mo=C5=BEe li Acrobat PDF Reader otvoriti te datoteke koje sam = upravo > > privio ovoj e-poruci? > > > > Ponavljam tako=C4=91er pitanje: > > > Jeste li uob=C4=87e dekriptirali network trace koji sam objelodanio n= a: > > > > > > > T-cogne and PDF? > > > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161121-t-cogne-pdf/ > > > ? > > > > > > Ne =C4=87ete mi re=C4=87 da tako stru=C4=8Dnih nema u T-com-u koji bi= to znali?... Mah! > > > 2,000 programera u T-com-u, i da nitko to ne zna, sa datotekama koje = su > > > u direktoriju -- koji je ta stranica, dekriptirati? To mi ne mo=C5=BE= ete re=C4=87! > > > > > > > Iz tog trace-a su te datoteke. Ho=C4=87e li mi odgovoriti netko tko raz= umije > > ovaj predmet i u stanju je =C4=8Ditati trace-ove? > > > > Imam i ovo pitanje: > > > > Za=C5=A1to u e-poruci "Ra=C4=8Dun za usluge u fiksnoj HT mre=C5=BEi za = 11/2016", > > Dne 161204-18:24+0100, u e-poruci koja ima > > "Message-ID: 772230131.1480872262486.JavaMail.fnservice@SBPMCP2" > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/message/20161204.1= 72422.79b621fc.en.html > > ( budu=C4=87a poveznica ) > > > > ili predhodnog mjeseca: > > Za=C5=A1to u e-poruci "Ra=C4=8Dun za usluge u fiksnoj HT mre=C5=BEi za = 10/2016", > > Dne 161104-20:13+0100, u e-poruci koja ima > > "Message-ID: 766744708.1478286794029.JavaMail.fnservice@SBPMAP1" > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/message/20161104.1= 91314.2a0e9ce2.en.html > > > > privitci (isti su PDF-ovi i u privitcima ove e-poruke, pa ih tako=C4=91= er otvorite > > za uzporedbu) imaju imena datoteka normalna: > > orig_bill_5019102951-206-5_5019102951_201610_R.pdf > > orig_bill_5019102951-207-3_5019102951_201611_R.pdf > > > > i mojim Qpdfview programom ih ja mogu otvoriti bez ikakvih problema, i > > pregledati sve tri stranice oba PDF-a, > > > > a te va=C5=A1e PDF datoteke sa moj.hrvatskitelekom.hr nakon =C5=A1to sa= m se > > logiram, imaju imena kilava, a posebno bez infiksa (umetka) koji bi > > trebale imati, ve=C4=87 prema tome za koji su mjesec 2016. a nemaju ni > > prefiksa "orig_bill_" na po=C4=8Detku, ili sli=C4=8Dno? > > > > Na desnoj strani je infiks koji nedostaje: > > 418703738.pdf 201606_R > > 424888813.pdf 201607_R > > 431372012.pdf 201608_R > > 435518423.pdf 201609_R > > > > Drugim rie=C4=8Dima, imate li kvar na serveru da va=C5=A1 server batrlj= ke > > izporu=C4=8Duje umjesto standardnih PDF-ova, i kako te datoteke, ako ih > > Acrobat Reader otvara, izpraviti, eh da bi i drugi programi, poput > > mojega Qpdfview-a mogli onda iste otvarati i pregledavati? > > > > Naime, koristnik sam, i mislim da imam pravo na to obja=C5=A1njenje, i = da me > > se uputi kako da mo=C5=BEda modificiram za preglednost te batrlje-datot= eke, > > ako doista jesu PDF-ovi. > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ENGLISH TRANSLATION STA= RT =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > bd1f9d429e08b478f0d999045770ef94fa194d45b7eb0f60fec1f46e483f77fa >=20 > ENGLISH / HRVATSKI >=20 > Prije tri normalne automatske potvrde/poruke ni=C5=BEe dolje, dugo dugo s= amo > duplikati poput: >=20 > Before the three normal auto responses further below, for pretty long I g= ot > only duplicates like: >=20 > Date: Tue Nov 22 12:00:19 2016 > ... > Message-ID: <20194874.17.1479716300265.JavaMail.SAICEW1$@SAICEW1> > From: T-HT Auto response > Duplicate, $LINES: 373, $SIZE: 26046 >=20 > A ove tri normalne povezane su s predmetima koji ne nose > "[T201611260027]" > (poput: > Re: Kako pregledati svoje PDF ra=C4=8Dune kod T-com-a? [T201611210376]) > ili "[T2016112102WES060Z9569052]" > (poput: > Re: T-com i poigravanje s preplatom [T2016112102WES060Z9569052]") >=20 > And these three normal ones are related to issues which do not bear the > "[T201611260027]" > (like: > Re: How to view PDF bills at T-com's? [T201611210376]) > or "[T2016112102WES060Z9569052]" > (like: > Re: T-com and pranks with overcharging [T2016112102WES060Z9569052]") >=20 > Ove tri su nepovezane s gornje dvije teme. >=20 > These three are unrelated with the above two topics. >=20 > Message-ID: <30568553.35.1479891039157.JavaMail.SAICEW1$@SAICEW1> > Date: Sat Nov 26 04:34:33 2016 > From: "T-HT Auto response" > Subj: Automatski odgovor T-HT Korisnicke podrske > File: /home/miro/Maildir/.mirorovis@croatiafidelishr.@ththr (24795) >=20 > Message-ID: <739955188.6858.1482837456010@SAICPRI1.ad.local> > Date: Tue Dec 27 12:20:39 2016 > From: T-HT Auto response > Subj: Automatski odgovor T-HT Korisnicke podrske > File: /home/miro/Maildir/.mirorovis@croatiafidelishr.@ththr (24764) >=20 > Message-ID: <1236040694.6990.1482843005948@SAICPRI1.ad.local> > Date: Tue Dec 27 13:56:01 2016 > From: T-HT Auto response > Subj: Automatski odgovor T-HT Korisnicke podrske > File: /home/miro/Maildir/.mirorovis@croatiafidelishr.@ththr (24765) >=20 > A jedna od dviju tema/razprava/konverzacija kojih moje poruke nisu bile > automatski potvr=C4=91ene je ova, kojoj pripada i ova poruka, koju pi=C5= =A1em samo > da velim kako nije bilo nikakvog odgovora od T-com-a. >=20 > And one of the two topics/discussions/conversations of which my messages > weren't automatically confirmed is this one, to which this message > belongs as well, and which I write just to tell how there was not reply > whatsoever from T-com. >=20 > Kroz svo vrieme od donjeg nadnevka: >=20 > In all this time since the date below: >=20 > On 161211-23:16+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > ENGLISH TRANSLATION is in bottom half.++++++++++++++++++ > > > > =C5=A0tovana *Tehni=C4=8Dka podr=C5=BEko*! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > > (=C5=A0tovani HAKOM, jo=C5=A1 nisam dobio odgovora na tehni=C4=8Dka pit= anja od T-com-a. > > Nedopustivo kr=C5=A1enje mojih prava kao koristnika, pa: na uvid i vama= =2E) > > > > Dne 161128-11:43+0100, u e-poruci koja ima > > "Message-ID: 66336.230.1480329827082.JavaMail.SAICUS4$@SAICUS4" > > ni=C5=BEe podpisani "Agent za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku", =C5=A1to= nije "Tehni=C4=8Dka > > podr=C5=BEka", nije kvalificirani programer, pa nema jamstva da razumij= e =C5=A1to > > pitam, odgovara, preusmjereno kao da odgovara sa > > tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr napisao je: > > > > > > Po=C5=A1tovani gospodine Rovis, > > > > > > Hrvatski Telekom e-ra=C4=8Dune isporu=C4=8Duje u pdf formatu na Moj T= elekom portal ili > > > e-mail adresu. Ra=C4=8Dune je mogu=C4=87e preuzeti i na ra=C4=8Dunalu= otvoriti sa Adobe > > > Readerom (ili nekim drugim programom za pregled pdf dokumenata). > > > > > > Sve dodatne postavke vezane uz spremanje/otvaranje na=C5=A1ih ra=C4= =8Duna nisu u domeni > > > tehni=C4=8Dke podr=C5=A1ke Hrvatskog Telekoma te sukladno navedenom z= a isto ne pru=C5=BEamo > > > podr=C5=A1ku. > > > > > > Uz zahvalu na razumijevanju srda=C4=8Dno Vas pozdravljamo. > > > > > > S po=C5=A1tovanjem, > > > > > > HRVATSKI TELEKOM d.d. > > > > > > Tomislav > > > Agent za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku > > > Odjel e-poslovanja > > > Odsjek za e-korisni=C4=8Dku podr=C5=A1ku > > > Adresa: Roberta Frange=C5=A1a Mihanovi=C4=87a 9, 10110 Zagreb > > > E-mail: tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr ( mailto:tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr ) > > > > ...[rez]... > > > > Molim da se moj upit preusmjeri nekome tko mi ho=C4=87e i zna odgovorit= i. > > > > Poku=C5=A1at =C4=87u jo=C5=A1 jednom postaviti ista pitanja, ali *sa=C5= =BEetije*. Jer mi na > > njih niste odgovorili. Dobit =C4=87ete, me=C4=91utim ponovno, iste PDF = datoteke, > > da lak=C5=A1e odgovorite. > > > > Molim vas da odgovorite nedvosmisleno i jasno. Gornji odgovor > > (vjerovatno) ne-programera to nije. > > > > On 161126-03:24+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > > ...[rez]... > > > > > Dejan, dakle iz T-com-a, pi=C5=A1e kako: > > > > provjerili smo dostupne PDF-ove koji su kreirani za Va=C5=A1e ra=C4= =8Dune te smo > > > > iste otvorili putem Adobe PDF reader programa. > > > To je nejasna tvdnja. Koji su to dostupni PDF-ovi? Oni koji su meni d= ati > > > u 4 minutice konverzacije sa: > > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161121-t-cogne-pdf/ > > > > ...[rez]... > > > > > U toj konverzaciji izme=C4=91u mojeg ra=C4=8Dunala i va=C5=A1eg poslu= =C5=BEitelja va=C5=A1 > > > poslu=C5=BEitelj [zar] nije meni poslao ove datoteke, prilikom klikan= ja na > > > poveznice "Ra=C4=8Dun PDF", kojih ima, prema klikanim poveznicama ove > > > =C4=8Detiri: > > > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48499 2016-11-21 11:30 418703738.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 43358 2016-11-21 11:30 424888813.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48585 2016-11-21 11:31 431372012.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48347 2016-11-21 11:31 435518423.pdf > > > > > > Je l' to vi tvrdite da u toj konverzaciji meni va=C5=A1 poslu=C5=BEit= elj nije > > > predao na mog ra=C4=8Dunala zahtjev (klikanjem na te poveznice), to= =C4=8Dno te 4 > > > datoteke? > > > > Molim, preuzmite privitke (ovoj e-poruci) sa tim datotekama od toga dan= a: > > > > 418703738.pdf > > 424888813.pdf > > 431372012.pdf > > 435518423.pdf > > > > PITANJE: Mo=C5=BEe li Acrobat PDF Reader otvoriti te datoteke koje sam = upravo > > privio ovoj e-poruci? > > > > Ponavljam tako=C4=91er pitanje: > > > Jeste li uob=C4=87e dekriptirali network trace koji sam objelodanio n= a: > > > > > > > T-cogne and PDF? > > > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161121-t-cogne-pdf/ > > > ? > > > > > > Ne =C4=87ete mi re=C4=87 da tako stru=C4=8Dnih nema u T-com-u koji bi= to znali?... Mah! > > > 2,000 programera u T-com-u, i da nitko to ne zna, sa datotekama koje = su > > > u direktoriju -- koji je ta stranica, dekriptirati? To mi ne mo=C5=BE= ete re=C4=87! > > > > > > > Iz tog trace-a su te datoteke. Ho=C4=87e li mi odgovoriti netko tko raz= umije > > ovaj predmet i u stanju je =C4=8Ditati trace-ove? > > > > Imam i ovo pitanje: > > > > Za=C5=A1to u e-poruci "Ra=C4=8Dun za usluge u fiksnoj HT mre=C5=BEi za = 11/2016", > > Dne 161204-18:24+0100, u e-poruci koja ima > > "Message-ID: 772230131.1480872262486.JavaMail.fnservice@SBPMCP2" > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/message/20161204.1= 72422.79b621fc.en.html > > ( budu=C4=87a poveznica ) > > > > ili predhodnog mjeseca: > > Za=C5=A1to u e-poruci "Ra=C4=8Dun za usluge u fiksnoj HT mre=C5=BEi za = 10/2016", > > Dne 161104-20:13+0100, u e-poruci koja ima > > "Message-ID: 766744708.1478286794029.JavaMail.fnservice@SBPMAP1" > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/message/20161104.1= 91314.2a0e9ce2.en.html > > > > privitci (isti su PDF-ovi i u privitcima ove e-poruke, pa ih tako=C4=91= er otvorite > > za uzporedbu) imaju imena datoteka normalna: > > orig_bill_5019102951-206-5_5019102951_201610_R.pdf > > orig_bill_5019102951-207-3_5019102951_201611_R.pdf > > > > i mojim Qpdfview programom ih ja mogu otvoriti bez ikakvih problema, i > > pregledati sve tri stranice oba PDF-a, > > > > a te va=C5=A1e PDF datoteke sa moj.hrvatskitelekom.hr nakon =C5=A1to sa= m se > > logiram, imaju imena kilava, a posebno bez infiksa (umetka) koji bi > > trebale imati, ve=C4=87 prema tome za koji su mjesec 2016. a nemaju ni > > prefiksa "orig_bill_" na po=C4=8Detku, ili sli=C4=8Dno? > > > > Na desnoj strani je infiks koji nedostaje: > > 418703738.pdf 201606_R > > 424888813.pdf 201607_R > > 431372012.pdf 201608_R > > 435518423.pdf 201609_R > > > > Drugim rie=C4=8Dima, imate li kvar na serveru da va=C5=A1 server batrlj= ke > > izporu=C4=8Duje umjesto standardnih PDF-ova, i kako te datoteke, ako ih > > Acrobat Reader otvara, izpraviti, eh da bi i drugi programi, poput > > mojega Qpdfview-a mogli onda iste otvarati i pregledavati? > > > > Naime, koristnik sam, i mislim da imam pravo na to obja=C5=A1njenje, i = da me > > se uputi kako da mo=C5=BEda modificiram za preglednost te batrlje-datot= eke, > > ako doista jesu PDF-ovi. > > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ENGLISH TRANSLATION STA= RT =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > bd1f9d429e08b478f0d999045770ef94fa194d45b7eb0f60fec1f46e483f77fa > > > > Respectable *Technical Support*! > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > > (Respectable HAKOM, I have still not received replies to my technical > > queries from T-com. Unacceptable breaching of my rights as user, so: > > for your insight too.) > > > > On 161128-11:43+0100, in the e-mail bearing the > > "Message-ID: 66336.230.1480329827082.JavaMail.SAICUS4$@SAICUS4" > > the below quoted "Agent for e-user support", which is not "Technical > > support", not a qualified programmer, so there is no guarrantee that he > > understands what I ask, replies, redirected as if he were replying from > > pitam, odgovara, preusmjereno kao da odgovara sa > > tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr wrote: > > > > > > Respectable Mister Rovis, > > > > > > Croatian Telekom delivers e-bills in pdf-format at the My Telekom > > > portal or to the e-mail address. It is possible to download the bills > > > and in one's computer open them Adobe Readerom (or some other program > > > for viewing pdf documenats). > > > > > > All the additional settings related to saving/opening of your bills > > > are not in the domain of the Technical Support of the Croatian > > > Telecom, so in accordance with that we do not give support for those. > > > > > > With gratitude for your understanding, we cordially greet you. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > HRVATSKI TELEKOM d.d. > > > > > > Tomislav > > > Agent for e-user support > > > Department for e-business > > > Section for e-user support > > > Address: Roberta Frange=C5=A1a Mihanovi=C4=87a 9, 10110 Zagreb > > > E-mail: tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr ( mailto:tehnicka.podrska@t.ht.hr ) > > > > ...[rez]... > > > > > > I kindly ask that my query be sent to somebody who has the will and the > > knowledge to answer it. > > > > I'll try and once again put to you the same questions, but *more > > succintly*. Because you still haven't replied to me. You will get, > > however, again, the same PDF files, to make it easier for you to reply. > > > > Please, reply unambiguously and clearly. The reply above, from (likely) > > a non-programmer, is not so. > > > > On 161126-03:24+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > > ...[cut]... > > > > > So, Dejan, from T-com, writes that: > > > > we checked the available PDFs which were created for your bills and > > > > we opened them by means of the Adobe PDF reader program. > > > The statement is not clear. Which are those available PDFs? Those that > > > were given to me in the 4 minutes of the conversation at: > > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161121-t-cogne-pdf/ > > > > ...[cut]... > > > > > In that conversation between my computer and your server, your server > > > [maybe that it] did not send these files to me, upon my clicking on > > > the links "Ra=C4=8Dun PDF" ("PDF bill" in Croatian), of which there a= re, > > > after the clicked links, these four of them: > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48499 2016-11-21 11:30 418703738.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 43358 2016-11-21 11:30 424888813.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48585 2016-11-21 11:31 431372012.pdf > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 48347 2016-11-21 11:31 435518423.pdf > > > > > > Really you claiming that in that conversation your server did not send > > > to me, upon my computer's request (by my clicking on those links), > > > exactly those 4 files? > > > > Pls. find attached (to this email) the files of that day: > > > > 418703738.pdf > > 424888813.pdf > > 431372012.pdf > > 435518423.pdf > > > > QUESTION: Can Acrobat PDF Reader open these files which I attached to > > this email? > > > > I also repeat the question: > > > Have you even decrypted the network trace which I published at: > > > > > > > T-cogne and PDF? > > > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cap/cap-161121-t-cogne-pdf/ > > > ? > > > > > > You don't want to tell me that so expert people in T-com there are no= ne > > > who would know how to do that?... Aarghh! 2.000 programmers there are= in > > > T-com, and that nobody knows how to do the, with the files that are in > > > that directory -- which is that page, decrypting of that? You can't s= ay > > > that to me! > > > > > > > From that trace those files are. Can somebody who is able to understand > > the issue and really read that trace reply to me? > > > > I also have this question: > > > > Why in the email "The bill for the services in HT network for 11/2016", > > On 161204-18:24+0100, in the email which bears the > > "Message-ID: 772230131.1480872262486.JavaMail.fnservice@SBPMCP2" > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/message/20161204.1= 72422.79b621fc.en.html > > ( a future link ) > > > > or the month before: > > Why in the email "The bill for the services in HT network for 10/2016", > > On 161104-20:13+0100, in the email which bears the > > "Message-ID: 766744708.1478286794029.JavaMail.fnservice@SBPMAP1" > > http://www.croatiafidelis.hr/foss/cenz/iskon-tcom-mr/message/20161104.1= 91314.2a0e9ce2.en.html > > > > the attachments (the same two PDFs are in the attachment of this very e= -mail, > > so pls. open those too, for comparison) bears a normal filename: > > orig_bill_5019102951-206-5_5019102951_201610_R.pdf > > orig_bill_5019102951-207-3_5019102951_201611_R.pdf > > > > and with my Qpdfview program I can open them with ease, and peruse all = the > > three pages of both PDFs, > > > > but those PDF files of yours from moj.hrvatskitelekom.hr after I log in, > > have very poor names, and especially the names are without the infix > > that they outght to have, and which is according to the month in 2016, > > and don't have the prefix of "orig_bill_" either, or so? > > > > On the right side there is the missing infix: > > 418703738.pdf 201606_R > > 424888813.pdf 201607_R > > 431372012.pdf 201608_R > > 435518423.pdf 201609_R > > > > In other words, is your server b0rked so it is delivering damaged stumps > > instead of standard PDFs, and how can those files, if Acrobat Reader can > > really open them, be fixed, so that other programs, like my Qpdfview, > > can also open and view those files? > > > > Namely, I'm your user, and I think I have the right to be given the > > explanation, and directed how to maybe modify for viewing your > > stumps-files, if indeed they are PDFs. > > > > bd1f9d429e08b478f0d999045770ef94fa194d45b7eb0f60fec1f46e483f77fa > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ENGLISH TRANSLATION END= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > >=20 > Svako dobro! / Best regards! >=20 > -- > Miroslav Rovis > Zagreb, Croatia > http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr >=20 >=20 Ovo (prete=C5=BEito) ne vriedi, prema na=C5=A1em ugovoru: >=20 > IZJAVA O ODRICANJU ODGOVORNOSTI: Sadr=C5=BEaj ove poruke i eventualno > prilo=C5=BEenih datoteka je povjerljiv i namijenjen je samo osobama ili > subjektima koji su navedeni u adresi. Ukoliko ste primili ovu poruku > gre=C5=A1kom, molimo Vas, obavijestite po=C5=A1iljatelja, a poruku i sve = njene > privitke odmah, bez =C4=8Ditanja, trajno uklonite s ra=C4=8Dunala. Bilo k= akvo > preno=C5=A1enje, kopiranje ili distribucija informacija sadr=C5=BEanih u = poruci > tre=C4=87im osobama je zabranjeno i mo=C5=BEe biti zakonski ka=C5=BEnjivo= =2E Sadr=C5=BEaj, > stavovi i mi=C5=A1ljenja izneseni u poruci su autorovi i ne predstavljaju > nu=C5=BEno stavove HT - Hrvatskih telekomunikacija d.d. HT ne prihva=C4= =87a > nikakvu odgovornost za eventualnu =C5=A1tetu nastalu primitkom ove poruke= i > priloga sadr=C5=BEanih u poruci. >=20 This is (for the most part) not to be upheld, acoording to the contract btwn me and T-com: >=20 > DISCLAIMER:The contents of this email as well as any files attached > to it are confidential and intended solely for individuals or > entities which they are addressed to. If you have received this email > message in error, please notify the sender and permanently remove the > message and all attached files from the computer. Any disclosure, > copying or distribution of all or a part of information contained > herein to or by third parties is prohibited and may be unlawful. > Please note that any views or opinions presented in this message are > solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views > and opinions of Croatian Telecom Inc. Croatian Telecom Inc. accepts > no liability for any potential damage caused by this message and > files attached to it. >=20 --=20 Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJYfKIRAAoJEOqYhIhPuvCuLwMP/jcHRwDUvOHhhS/I1oBQbBoF TEjjuGn5pk+8K8A1W62m1Du8AN3++4C4+Ta/hF6qInphBi2eXsYxB/3KYwaeZq3q D562s4jwUc7YRqv5KzHovDO27yCD3IXkW8BOvmodTSqe9fUG70bkUynh4HVjQumm bVop0M/Psbthn/PnfEnsabbjEiVoHRu5bcEac3WdgHMYBGu/W8FUuWYqzsKCj7/B HajZbw5SRERwIDr11ys6yLBe2VPLnJyQjVv3U2+iAvBQvXepBNZU5CZkMrG4kKmp civbvvau3B/dRnyI75E78n5Hoj2alKooD6ZKMwTbhtjIL9t9IzAjVWGHdGiq35dA rKx70MfVVcgwuc5ffp7/inwG/ejXL9UMp/TCJmiK6v1pdO2Tu6qJbiZn+/ktwtYc ZanCwLhTy68r846zCon6zM+5I1g5PU13wm1yw4trhtqlXme2lV4wm1itKHy3W8ZY +TtfUnKKkh0mqCv04BCQ9rtDpbLzFHePKrGI1AXXGupZbrY7x9W7nqnoS3qEJDea 5cp/w0nWZVsqiFJ3DhFAdh2Re+qlHYiZNohN9JtmOVZYG3jbtQA6GIyV/3IOF3VA JhImHKXLCZk0vAoFUr/UATbXltvsg7msJPdNqlprg0QE96PFKit7h68qwMWf7C+1 3zwYbTXRau8gjKJtKmYk =vjsu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v--